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		<title>Comment on How to Receive Criticism, Part 1 by Caroline Heath Horne</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2012/01/19/how-to-receive-criticism/#comment-2277</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Heath Horne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this. Keep speaking truth Ben because God is using you in mighty ways! Glory to God! 
&quot;...sanctification, the process of being shaped by God’s grace to look more like Jesus, is essentially criticism.&quot;  Reminds me that through this journey of sanctification I will be criticized and with that I will grow stronger and more like Christ so I take it with gratitude and open arms!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this. Keep speaking truth Ben because God is using you in mighty ways! Glory to God!<br />
&#8220;&#8230;sanctification, the process of being shaped by God’s grace to look more like Jesus, is essentially criticism.&#8221;  Reminds me that through this journey of sanctification I will be criticized and with that I will grow stronger and more like Christ so I take it with gratitude and open arms!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christ the King Church now has two locations by Melvin Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2011/11/16/christ-the-king-church-now-has-two-locations/#comment-2083</link>
		<dc:creator>Melvin Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanting to know more about your NKY church location and the times.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 10 Ways to Redeem Your Time by Nail</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2010/04/16/10-ways-to-redeem-your-time/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Nail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, one of the most helpful things for me is &quot;the to don&#039;t&quot; lists that I force myself to obey in daily life. So, by avoiding unnecessary things I can find more time to deal with my priorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, one of the most helpful things for me is &#8220;the to don&#8217;t&#8221; lists that I force myself to obey in daily life. So, by avoiding unnecessary things I can find more time to deal with my priorities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why It&#8217;s Hard to Love &#8220;The Lost&#8221; by John DeMotte</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2011/01/14/why-its-hard-to-love-the-lost-2/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>John DeMotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is freeing - takes the focus off of myself and back onto God.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Discussion Topic: what do you think of the parachurch? by Alban</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2007/08/11/discussion-topic-what-do-you-think-of-the-parachurch/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Alban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this comment, because I work with CCC in Albania. If you want to read the full article, please write to me. Alban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this comment, because I work with CCC in Albania. If you want to read the full article, please write to me. Alban</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussion Topic: what do you think of the parachurch? by Alban</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2007/08/11/discussion-topic-what-do-you-think-of-the-parachurch/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Alban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The church of the New Testament was a dynamic, growing, and changing organism with apparently a minimal, adapting organization.  It was truly “the body of Christ.”    In the beginning of the New Testamental period the local gathering of believers in Christ called out from the world was indistinguishable from Judaism.  All the believers in Christ were Jewish.  Those who believed that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies about the Messiah met in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem; but they also met from house-to-house, both of which were Jewish social customs. 

But as the church expanded and grew it also added new and different forms in order to respond to new challenges.  Acts 6:1-7 relates the incident of the widows of Hellenistic Jewish background being neglected in the serving of their food to the advantage of the native Hebrew widows.  The twelve disciples were summoned and a decision was made to implement a new way of handling this problem.  Special servants were designated to fulfill this responsibility and ensure that it be done properly.  It was not enough that these men simply be servants, but they must also be spiritually capable people because, as we shall see later, they themselves directed the work. The result of what happened is recorded in verse 7:

 	The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.

We see illustrated here in our text an issue that is critical to our discussion: the church freely adapted its forms as necessary in order to fulfill its necessary functions.  The apostles were unable to fulfill their necessary function of assuring daily teaching both in the temple and from house to house (Acts 5:42) and at the same time carry out the function of meeting the needs of the widows and needy of the new group of believers.  Therefore the form of designated table-servers (deacons) was developed.  Organizational structures were created in response to needs.  This new organizational form, growing out of need, was, nevertheless and without question, considered to be a part of the church, not something auxiliary to it.  It was not something that existed alongside of the church (para-church), but something that grew out of the need of the church that was an integral part of the functioning of the body of believers that made up the church.
At one time a group of Campus Crusade campus staff wanted to make Campus Crusade for Christ a church.  They reasoned, “We do evangelism and discipleship; we do preaching and teaching; we do everything a church does, except baptism and the Lord’s Supper.  Why not also do these things, and become a church?”  Bill Bright would not hear of such a thing.  He correctly understood that God raised up Campus Crusade for Christ, and other organizations with specific callings, for the particular purpose of assisting local churches and denominations everywhere in the accomplishment of specific ministries within the spectrum of the church&#039;s total mandate. No Christian ministry can accomplish the job alone, but as a part of the church, the body of Christ, together they can be a catalyst to the rest of the body of Christ, the church, in helping to fulfill the Great Commission of our Lord.  Christian ministries are not local churches, or denomination, but neither are they separate from the church. It is not ours to abdicate or to &quot;edit&quot; God&#039;s calling to the various ministries of the body of Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The church of the New Testament was a dynamic, growing, and changing organism with apparently a minimal, adapting organization.  It was truly “the body of Christ.”    In the beginning of the New Testamental period the local gathering of believers in Christ called out from the world was indistinguishable from Judaism.  All the believers in Christ were Jewish.  Those who believed that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies about the Messiah met in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem; but they also met from house-to-house, both of which were Jewish social customs. </p>
<p>But as the church expanded and grew it also added new and different forms in order to respond to new challenges.  Acts 6:1-7 relates the incident of the widows of Hellenistic Jewish background being neglected in the serving of their food to the advantage of the native Hebrew widows.  The twelve disciples were summoned and a decision was made to implement a new way of handling this problem.  Special servants were designated to fulfill this responsibility and ensure that it be done properly.  It was not enough that these men simply be servants, but they must also be spiritually capable people because, as we shall see later, they themselves directed the work. The result of what happened is recorded in verse 7:</p>
<p> 	The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.</p>
<p>We see illustrated here in our text an issue that is critical to our discussion: the church freely adapted its forms as necessary in order to fulfill its necessary functions.  The apostles were unable to fulfill their necessary function of assuring daily teaching both in the temple and from house to house (Acts 5:42) and at the same time carry out the function of meeting the needs of the widows and needy of the new group of believers.  Therefore the form of designated table-servers (deacons) was developed.  Organizational structures were created in response to needs.  This new organizational form, growing out of need, was, nevertheless and without question, considered to be a part of the church, not something auxiliary to it.  It was not something that existed alongside of the church (para-church), but something that grew out of the need of the church that was an integral part of the functioning of the body of believers that made up the church.<br />
At one time a group of Campus Crusade campus staff wanted to make Campus Crusade for Christ a church.  They reasoned, “We do evangelism and discipleship; we do preaching and teaching; we do everything a church does, except baptism and the Lord’s Supper.  Why not also do these things, and become a church?”  Bill Bright would not hear of such a thing.  He correctly understood that God raised up Campus Crusade for Christ, and other organizations with specific callings, for the particular purpose of assisting local churches and denominations everywhere in the accomplishment of specific ministries within the spectrum of the church&#8217;s total mandate. No Christian ministry can accomplish the job alone, but as a part of the church, the body of Christ, together they can be a catalyst to the rest of the body of Christ, the church, in helping to fulfill the Great Commission of our Lord.  Christian ministries are not local churches, or denomination, but neither are they separate from the church. It is not ours to abdicate or to &#8220;edit&#8221; God&#8217;s calling to the various ministries of the body of Christ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gospel and Social Justice by Will Smith</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2010/09/10/the-gospel-and-social-justice/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting these, Mike. I would say the man on the left was advocating for the only true gospel. The man on the right, pn the other hand, was continuously adding to the gospel in a way that brought to mind the admonition of Paul in Galatians 1. It IS NOT the work of Christ PLUS justice that saves us. Very dangerous.

Also, the first guy is not saying not to be involved in promoting racial harmony and feeding hungry people, just that it is not a function of the corporate church. It IS a function of individual persons of the church, though. I think balancing your checkbook is good and right, but we do not need a church organization to promote checkbook balancing. Neither of these items are prescribed for the corporate chuch in Scripture, in spite of the fact that a big chunk of the NT deals with church orthopraxy.

As we live out the love we receive in Christ, and teach the very truth of God in our churches, caring for people will be a natural part of the life of the believer.

Also, I think we need to understand that the &quot;poor&quot; referrenced in this conversation is not necessarily the &quot;poor&quot; Jesus came to bring good news to. In the USA, we are virtually all rich monitarily. However, those whom God forknew have an evidence of spiritual poverty...an understanding that their personal account of righteousness is woefully inadequate to save them. 

I realoze there is more to it than that, but those are some basic observations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting these, Mike. I would say the man on the left was advocating for the only true gospel. The man on the right, pn the other hand, was continuously adding to the gospel in a way that brought to mind the admonition of Paul in Galatians 1. It IS NOT the work of Christ PLUS justice that saves us. Very dangerous.</p>
<p>Also, the first guy is not saying not to be involved in promoting racial harmony and feeding hungry people, just that it is not a function of the corporate church. It IS a function of individual persons of the church, though. I think balancing your checkbook is good and right, but we do not need a church organization to promote checkbook balancing. Neither of these items are prescribed for the corporate chuch in Scripture, in spite of the fact that a big chunk of the NT deals with church orthopraxy.</p>
<p>As we live out the love we receive in Christ, and teach the very truth of God in our churches, caring for people will be a natural part of the life of the believer.</p>
<p>Also, I think we need to understand that the &#8220;poor&#8221; referrenced in this conversation is not necessarily the &#8220;poor&#8221; Jesus came to bring good news to. In the USA, we are virtually all rich monitarily. However, those whom God forknew have an evidence of spiritual poverty&#8230;an understanding that their personal account of righteousness is woefully inadequate to save them. </p>
<p>I realoze there is more to it than that, but those are some basic observations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gospel and Social Justice by Michael Clary</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2010/09/10/the-gospel-and-social-justice/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Clary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Ryan. 

I think it is true that someone needs to know what they&#039;re aiming at in order to get there. 

I wonder if Dever would take the same position on a more traditionally conservative cause such as abortion? Would he say, &quot;we need to work to end abortions in our congregation,&quot; or would he say, &quot;fighting to end abortion should be something that all Christians should be concerned about?&quot; 

But I do agree that the preaching of Christ crucified is the central mandate of the church, and how that applies in various situations should be drawn out. It should affect all injustices. Should the gospel be good news to the unborn, the poorest and most vulnerable of us all? Yes, it should be. 

In other words, conservatives have their favorite justice causes, such as abortion and the biblical family. Liberals have their favorite justice causes such as poverty and racism. Churches of Jesus Christ can have an impact on all of these issues in various ways, while maintaining the fact that our central mission is to preach Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Ryan. </p>
<p>I think it is true that someone needs to know what they&#8217;re aiming at in order to get there. </p>
<p>I wonder if Dever would take the same position on a more traditionally conservative cause such as abortion? Would he say, &#8220;we need to work to end abortions in our congregation,&#8221; or would he say, &#8220;fighting to end abortion should be something that all Christians should be concerned about?&#8221; </p>
<p>But I do agree that the preaching of Christ crucified is the central mandate of the church, and how that applies in various situations should be drawn out. It should affect all injustices. Should the gospel be good news to the unborn, the poorest and most vulnerable of us all? Yes, it should be. </p>
<p>In other words, conservatives have their favorite justice causes, such as abortion and the biblical family. Liberals have their favorite justice causes such as poverty and racism. Churches of Jesus Christ can have an impact on all of these issues in various ways, while maintaining the fact that our central mission is to preach Christ.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Gospel and Social Justice by Ryan Kupiec</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2010/09/10/the-gospel-and-social-justice/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Kupiec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, Michael. Definitely an interesting conversation. I found myself agreeing and disagreeing with both guys.  

I think it&#039;s great that these guys had this conversation. Something to remember here, is that Dever represents evangelicals whereas Wallis tends to represent mainline churches (Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians etc). As Wallis said, a lot of the mainline churches are trending back to an understanding of personal faith, whereas in the past it was something that was not as important. Evangelicals are also becoming more aware of the connection between faith and practice and are becoming concerned with social problems that are not stereotypically evangelical (racism, poverty, stewardship of creation etc.) That to say that, a lot of these guys disagreement is because they are coming from two different perspectives, but are trending toward a middle ground- evangelicals are becoming more socially attuned and mainlines are becoming more attuned toward faith. I find keeping that in mind helpful to view these disagreements as somewhat positive, because the dialogue and the sharpening of one another is happening now whereas in the past the likeliness of this conversation was less. 

Dever&#039;s initial discussion about what would he do about someone concerned with racism bothered me. I got the perception that he was saying that racism, though awful, is not something that the church is commanded to fight outside of the church, but that individuals should do if its their passion. I thought it was too individualistic an approach in understanding the churches calling in the world and ultimately leads to uniracial churches and segregated societies. That is not to say that Christians should necessarily be using political means to fight racism, but that Christians of different political beliefs can be socially active in the same way for the cause of Christ. Dever may not have fully formed his thoughts on this (Wallis talked a ton), so I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;m giving his argument justice. Either way, I had the same concerns about Dever&#039;s statement that Wallis had toward the apathy that it may give toward racism in society.  

I think where Dever may have been taking this is to say that a loving community of Christians will take care of each other and impress the world with their love and thereby affect injustice outside of the church. However, it seemed that he didn&#039;t connect the dots in saying that we can best attack racism outside of the church  by being Gospel focused communities that are multiracial and reconciled with one another. 

I have a lot of the same concerns with Wallis&#039; discernment as Dever. Dever saying that it can lead to Pharisaism is true (which I have seen in myself). Sojourners makes me uncomfortable at times because of it&#039;s partisanship. I&#039;m often frustrated by them as I find them as the liberal answer to the &quot;Religious Right.&quot; Rather than getting Christians of liberal and conservative political convictions together working toward the cause of Christ, I often feel that they keep both sides arguing, rather than working together. 

Either way, I think Wallis makes some good points about the connection between personal faith and  action. I thought his quote, &quot;If our Gospel is not Good News to the poor then it is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ,&quot; was intriguing and worth consideration. I think he had some thoughts are good things to hear, especially for evangelicals, since evangelicals often have a false bifurcation between faith and practice. Because of our desire to keep doctrinal purity we often end up with great doctrine, but don&#039;t know how to express that doctrine in a practical way. I think we can learn how to live out our faith from Wallis and others who come from different perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Michael. Definitely an interesting conversation. I found myself agreeing and disagreeing with both guys.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great that these guys had this conversation. Something to remember here, is that Dever represents evangelicals whereas Wallis tends to represent mainline churches (Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians etc). As Wallis said, a lot of the mainline churches are trending back to an understanding of personal faith, whereas in the past it was something that was not as important. Evangelicals are also becoming more aware of the connection between faith and practice and are becoming concerned with social problems that are not stereotypically evangelical (racism, poverty, stewardship of creation etc.) That to say that, a lot of these guys disagreement is because they are coming from two different perspectives, but are trending toward a middle ground- evangelicals are becoming more socially attuned and mainlines are becoming more attuned toward faith. I find keeping that in mind helpful to view these disagreements as somewhat positive, because the dialogue and the sharpening of one another is happening now whereas in the past the likeliness of this conversation was less. </p>
<p>Dever&#8217;s initial discussion about what would he do about someone concerned with racism bothered me. I got the perception that he was saying that racism, though awful, is not something that the church is commanded to fight outside of the church, but that individuals should do if its their passion. I thought it was too individualistic an approach in understanding the churches calling in the world and ultimately leads to uniracial churches and segregated societies. That is not to say that Christians should necessarily be using political means to fight racism, but that Christians of different political beliefs can be socially active in the same way for the cause of Christ. Dever may not have fully formed his thoughts on this (Wallis talked a ton), so I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;m giving his argument justice. Either way, I had the same concerns about Dever&#8217;s statement that Wallis had toward the apathy that it may give toward racism in society.  </p>
<p>I think where Dever may have been taking this is to say that a loving community of Christians will take care of each other and impress the world with their love and thereby affect injustice outside of the church. However, it seemed that he didn&#8217;t connect the dots in saying that we can best attack racism outside of the church  by being Gospel focused communities that are multiracial and reconciled with one another. </p>
<p>I have a lot of the same concerns with Wallis&#8217; discernment as Dever. Dever saying that it can lead to Pharisaism is true (which I have seen in myself). Sojourners makes me uncomfortable at times because of it&#8217;s partisanship. I&#8217;m often frustrated by them as I find them as the liberal answer to the &#8220;Religious Right.&#8221; Rather than getting Christians of liberal and conservative political convictions together working toward the cause of Christ, I often feel that they keep both sides arguing, rather than working together. </p>
<p>Either way, I think Wallis makes some good points about the connection between personal faith and  action. I thought his quote, &#8220;If our Gospel is not Good News to the poor then it is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ,&#8221; was intriguing and worth consideration. I think he had some thoughts are good things to hear, especially for evangelicals, since evangelicals often have a false bifurcation between faith and practice. Because of our desire to keep doctrinal purity we often end up with great doctrine, but don&#8217;t know how to express that doctrine in a practical way. I think we can learn how to live out our faith from Wallis and others who come from different perspectives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck and the Political Gospel by Bragg</title>
		<link>http://christthekingcincinnati.com/2010/08/30/glenn-beck-and-the-political-gospel/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Bragg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. I just read the editorial last night - actually from Donald Miller&#039;s page - and couldn&#039;t agree more with the need to separate the true Gospel from the gospel of the far right and the far left. I get so incensed at the talking heads distorting the Truth for their personal/political gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. I just read the editorial last night &#8211; actually from Donald Miller&#8217;s page &#8211; and couldn&#8217;t agree more with the need to separate the true Gospel from the gospel of the far right and the far left. I get so incensed at the talking heads distorting the Truth for their personal/political gains.</p>
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